>> in congress can't act immediately on a bigger package, if they can't get a bigger package done by the time the sequester is scheduled to go into effect, i believe they should at least pass a smaller package. there's no reason that the jobs of thousands of americans who work in national security or education or clean energy, not to mention the growth of the entire economy should be in jeopardy because folks in washington couldn't come together. >> all right, the cbo estimated today in the fiscal 2013 budget $850 billion will be the deficit and we looked at the charts. people will argue, probably the man here, that it's going to be down in the long term because of increased revenues, economic growth, sequester, higher taxes. but kimberly, if you look to 2013, it shoots back up.